some more quick tma thoughts
Jan. 9th, 2020 08:02 pm![[personal profile]](https://www.dreamwidth.org/img/silk/identity/user.png){kind=small}
kindkitI don't have a lot of either brainpower or time, but I had to say a few things. Spoilers through 139, "Chosen" are .
Jon, are you pining for Martin? It definitely sounds like it, what with the sad little sigh whenever you say his name, and your tendency to forget that other people from the team are still around, and the whole "I need him to be okay, I just do" thing.
I want to find this heart-warming and delightful. And I kind of do. I also find it heartbreaking and possibly sinister, because it's so sudden and new. Is it connected to Martin saving Jon via tape recorders in "Entombed"? Because, yeah, the anchor was either Jon's own voice on the tapes, or the connection to the Eye (if the Eye actually has anything to do with the tape recorders, which we don't know), but . . . Martin put them there. Are Jon and Martin metaphysically connected now, somehow? Is the Eye asserting a claim on Martin to fend off the Lonely, and in consequence, or as part of a strategy, making Jon long for him?
I so want this to be just love. Especially since so many of these recent episodes have been about love, in various forms. Even if it is just love, I still feel about 80% sure it will end in broken hearts (notably including mine), but . . . please don't be a bad thing, please.
Speaking of bad things, Martin's conversation with Elias was interesting. Elias was so weird and emphatic and putting so much meaning into his words that at first I took it for some kind of emotional seduction game. And of course, Elias being the magnificent bastard he is, it probably is that, in part. But on second listen, it sounded more like hints. His hints at the end were obvious: stay in touch, don't lose your friends, it's lonely (or Lonely) without them. The hints at the beginning, not as much, but all that stuff about it being nice to see Martin, how he hasn't seen him for a long time, is trying to tell Martin that Peter Lukas is blocking some of Elias's ability to see. He can't see Martin, presumably, when Martin's with Lukas. Or he can't see Martin at all, anymore, except physically? That would be bad, if Martin's been claimed by the Lonely to that extent. (Or does that even make sense? Elias can see avatars of other entities, such as not!Sasha.) I'm a bit confused, in any case, about Martin's relationship to the Lonely right now. The phone conversation in the trailer made it sound like it was a done deal, he had committed. But the episodes, which I suppose must outweigh a trailer as canon, make it seem like Martin is still being wooed by Lukas and hasn't made up his mind.
Basically I have no idea WTF is going on, plotwise, right now. Except that Martin is getting information to Jon, maybe without Peter Lukas knowing it. Our brave double-agent boy!
Martin, you have two magic psychopaths flirting with you (in the metaphysical sense, but perhaps not only that sense) and Jon misses you so much he can hardly stand it. Congratulations? I guess?
Jon, are you pining for Martin? It definitely sounds like it, what with the sad little sigh whenever you say his name, and your tendency to forget that other people from the team are still around, and the whole "I need him to be okay, I just do" thing.
I want to find this heart-warming and delightful. And I kind of do. I also find it heartbreaking and possibly sinister, because it's so sudden and new. Is it connected to Martin saving Jon via tape recorders in "Entombed"? Because, yeah, the anchor was either Jon's own voice on the tapes, or the connection to the Eye (if the Eye actually has anything to do with the tape recorders, which we don't know), but . . . Martin put them there. Are Jon and Martin metaphysically connected now, somehow? Is the Eye asserting a claim on Martin to fend off the Lonely, and in consequence, or as part of a strategy, making Jon long for him?
I so want this to be just love. Especially since so many of these recent episodes have been about love, in various forms. Even if it is just love, I still feel about 80% sure it will end in broken hearts (notably including mine), but . . . please don't be a bad thing, please.
Speaking of bad things, Martin's conversation with Elias was interesting. Elias was so weird and emphatic and putting so much meaning into his words that at first I took it for some kind of emotional seduction game. And of course, Elias being the magnificent bastard he is, it probably is that, in part. But on second listen, it sounded more like hints. His hints at the end were obvious: stay in touch, don't lose your friends, it's lonely (or Lonely) without them. The hints at the beginning, not as much, but all that stuff about it being nice to see Martin, how he hasn't seen him for a long time, is trying to tell Martin that Peter Lukas is blocking some of Elias's ability to see. He can't see Martin, presumably, when Martin's with Lukas. Or he can't see Martin at all, anymore, except physically? That would be bad, if Martin's been claimed by the Lonely to that extent. (Or does that even make sense? Elias can see avatars of other entities, such as not!Sasha.) I'm a bit confused, in any case, about Martin's relationship to the Lonely right now. The phone conversation in the trailer made it sound like it was a done deal, he had committed. But the episodes, which I suppose must outweigh a trailer as canon, make it seem like Martin is still being wooed by Lukas and hasn't made up his mind.
Basically I have no idea WTF is going on, plotwise, right now. Except that Martin is getting information to Jon, maybe without Peter Lukas knowing it. Our brave double-agent boy!
Martin, you have two magic psychopaths flirting with you (in the metaphysical sense, but perhaps not only that sense) and Jon misses you so much he can hardly stand it. Congratulations? I guess?
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Date: 2020-01-10 08:57 am (UTC)I actually don't find it sudden, given that (as you so accurately put it) Jon's "completely fucking oblivious to feelings in general", his own included.
He's been stumbling over and failing to cope with unexpected absence-of-Martin since he woke up; suddenly Martin's not there and he misses him and he's really worried about him.
And even in S3, Martin's the one he tries to reach out to and have a conversation with, so very awkwardly, including trying to find out if reading the statements is hurting him.
Not to mention his severe fluster over the "office gossip" (which from context, is almost certainly Basira and Melanie's conversation from 106).
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Date: 2020-01-10 05:05 pm (UTC)*nods* (I did find his complaint about how "other avatars get to have all their feelings burnt out of them, but I just have to sit in mine" sort of hilarious. Discovered feelings, then, have we?)
It probably seems more sudden to me than it should, too, because of the rate I'm bingeing the episodes. These things were meant to be a week apart, and the show does mostly seem to take place roughly in real time.
his severe fluster over the "office gossip" (which from context, is almost certainly Basira and Melanie's conversation from 106)
Yeah. I've been trying not to think about that because it makes me excruciatingly embarrassed for both Martin and Jon. But, yeah.
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Date: 2020-01-10 09:48 pm (UTC)(Honestly, I over-identify. *g*)
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Date: 2020-01-10 07:42 pm (UTC)no subject
Date: 2020-01-11 11:05 am (UTC)Jonny Sims has been very clear upfront that the ending is going to be tragic, so I fully accept that my heart will be wrecked by the end of S5.
But I have high hopes that it'll be an emotionally satisfying and cathartic tragic ending, at least.