kindkit: Man sitting on top of a huge tower of books, reading. (Fandomless--book tower)
1) I finished Melissa Scott's The Master of Samar, and enjoyed it a lot while wishing it had had one more round of revisions. There's some important stuff (mostly character-related but also plot) that isn't set up properly before suddenly appearing in the last couple of chapters. Nevertheless, I like what it does, and I especially like
Vague spoilers follow; click here to seeScott's willingness to give us a culture that's both fucked up (patriarchal, homophobic, hierarchical) and threatened by a collapse that would be worse. I like that preventing devastation comes at a cost, and that the cost is very much felt and somewhat resented. I like that the relationship between Irichels and Envar is well-established, stable, trusting, drama-free, and that a situation many other authors would have milked for every drop of sweet sweet angst is treated matter-of-factly.


Thinking about how The Master of Samar is actually helping me get at something I couldn't articulate in my last post: part of the reason some contemporary sff feels "fanficcy" to me in a not-enjoyable way is that the emotional stakes are just too high. Everything's turned up to 11, all the time. Don't get me wrong, I want characters to have emotions and for those emotions to matter. But the centering of those emotions all the time, this constant incredibly intense round of despair and joy and jealousy and rejection and etc etc., feels very . . . teenage. And meanwhile the world needs saving, the revolution needs revolution-ing!

I guess this is why I like middle-aged characters. Not that I'm never drawn to the ones with intense emotions sometimes (see: Teach, Edward), but they've also got some good repression skills going on and can usually turn the drama back down again for a while.

Anyway, yeah. Fanfic, both reading it and writing it, trains us to go for as many intense emotions as can be crammed onto the page, and it's not entirely a good thing.


2) Still listening to Old Gods of Appalachia, still really enjoying S2 despite some trepidation. There are political implications to this arc that I'm trusting Collins and Shell to handle thoughtfully; we'll see.


3) I saw a post on Tumblr with a Saturday Night Live promo pic of Daniel Craig (I think it's from a few years ago), that people were explaining visually references the infamous 1974 French sex* film Emmanuelle. And I thought to myself, self, you have never seen this infamous French sex film.

So I acquired it, and watched it, and it's a tremendously silly and pompous film except when it's promoting rape culture. Interesting as a document of its times, I think, and with a few embedded critiques of cishet-male-centered sexual liberation that disturb the rest of the bullshit in useful ways, but ultimately deeply unsexy. I went to Wikipedia afterwards and learned that the novel it's based on has a gay man and male/male(/female) homoeroticism in a central role; the film took all that out and substituted a rape scene. Color me surprised.

(ETA: *I wouldn't really call it porn. Maybe the softest of softcore. All the sex is simulated, no more graphic than a modern R-rated movie and often less. There's a lot of nudity--all female, no dicks on display--and one notorious scene set at a Thai sex show, in which a Thai woman smokes a cigarette with her vagina. That's graphically shown; nothing comparable was asked of the western actors. Besides everything else, the film has a massive unexamined freight of colonialism.)

Anyway, my point in bringing this up was this: you know the much-GIFed scene from Hannibal where Will is standing against a ladder and Hannibal approaches close to him and it's all very breathless and eroticized? It's a direct visual quotation of a scene in Emmanuelle where our heroine is seduced by a woman for the first time. I'm sure I'm not the first person to notice it, but I'm entertained.

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Nov. 30th, 2022 08:31 pm
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Airship)
8. Squicks - What are some things that squick you in fandom - not necessarily "icky", though it can be. From anything involving blood, to bad grammar.

I'm squicked in general by gory/graphically violent/icky of the kind that squicks a lot of people.

Specific to fanfic, which I think is where the question was heading, and taking squick to mean "strong aversion without a moral component"--so not quite my own more limited definition of squick, and also not meaning serious bad stuff like if the fic is racist--I think my biggest squick is the dread Out of Character. I'm very there for interpretation of character, but when the changes are so extreme that I can't see how the author got there from canon, I'm not interested in reading it. (I read fic because I like, or am interested in, the characters, so why bother with what are essentially different characters using the same names?)

Similarly, I tend to be perhaps irrationally irritated by most AUs. When someone's circumstances are completely different, you're unlikely to get the same kind of person. In OFMD, just to pick an example completely at random, Ed has been shaped by a lifetime of piracy. If he'd spent the last 35 years being a baker, he wouldn't be Ed! Not all AUs are implausible, of course, but a lot of them are. And to be blunt, I don't understand the impulse to take the characters out of an interesting world and put them in a mundane one. A pirate ship is a lot more interesting than a bakery! (Of course a good writer can make a bakery interesting. But (a) I'd rather in that case that it was a story set in a bakery from the start, and (b) I'd still rather read about pirates.) I can understand the urge in the opposite direction, taking characters from a mundane setting and giving them superpowers or putting them on a generation ship headed for the next galaxy. But the fandoms I interact with tend to be genre shows and the AUs go away from sff instead of towards it.

I sometimes have fandom-specific squicks, which are usually bits of fanon I particularly dislike. For instance, I will back out of OFMD fics where Ed uses lots of endearments for Stede (or even if Stede uses them for Ed, if it's a lot). And it's a popular thing because people think it's sweet, even though canonically Ed never says that kind of thing and Stede uses an endearment exactly once that I recall, when he calls his wife "darling" at the moment of their incredibly awkward, pained reunion.

Other squicks, for this loose definition of squicks that's more like pet peeves: the trope overriding the character, too many fannish or pop culture in-jokes*, not bothering to do even a little research, and, yes, bad grammar. I know people say that the ability to write correct grammar and the ability to tell a good story don't necessarily correlate, but in my experience, they do. (Perhaps because good writers who know they have trouble with grammar get their stories beta read. Writers who put them up unbeta-ed aren't bothering about other details either.)


*I understand the temptation of in-jokes. I put a few (I like to think of them as Easter eggs) into Also Known as Blackbeard, because I spent a huge amount of time working on that story in a very disciplined way and I had to indulge myself somehow. I have no idea if anybody's noticed any of them.


Full list of questions under the cut )
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Default)
I started this ages ago, then skipped a day because there was a question that bored me, and then forgot to start back up again. But lately, I feel like talking about fandom.

6. What’s the longest you’ve ever been in a fandom? What fandom was it? Not necessarily your oldest fandom, but a fandom that you started and still continue to read/write/create content for in some way.

I was probably in Buffyverse the longest as an active participant, reading and writing fic; it was also my first fandom. I never thought I'd lose interest, but I did. I'd written a lot, exploring most of what I wanted to explore, and I also experienced my first few rounds of fandom drama and got stung by that (not entirely unmerited), and so in the end I left without much of a backward glance.

I tend to be serially monogamous with my fandoms. Occasionally there's overlap, or I get into a very broadly defined fandom (like Doctor Who with its two TV series and its multiple book series and its audiobooks, or what I called the World Wars Megafandom, which was a lot of war-related texts with no other connection), but usually I obsess about one canon for a while and then move on. There are old fandoms that I think of fondly, and I might even read a fic or watch a vid if I happened upon one, but I'm unlikely to create in this fandoms ever again.

I know this will happen someday with OFMD and I'm already sad about it, because I love the show so much. (Please, S2, don't fuck it up.)


Full list of questions is under the cut )

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Apr. 2nd, 2022 06:26 pm
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Airship)
I've now seen all of Our Flag Means Death twice, and I'm obsessed. I want S2 now, and failing that I want good fannish content, and yet I am reluctant to venture into the fandom.

Discussion of why under the cut, along with some thoughts on the show itself. Spoilery as hell. )
kindkit: Finch looks thoughtfully at the computer and so does Bear (POI: Finch and Bear thinking)
Your main fandom of the year?

Probably Person of Interest, though I'm still very multifannish (and also, see below for my reservations).


Your favorite film watched this year?

Pride, which is funny and powerful and heartwarming in a completely unsentimental way.


Your favorite book read this year?

Nonfiction: Adam Hochschild's To End All Wars: A Story of Loyalty and Rebellion, 1914-1914, which is about the British anti-war movement during the First World War. Runner up is Thomas Piketty's Capital in the Twenty-First Century, which I will confess I didn't finish and which I certainly didn't enjoy, but which is tremendously informative and important.

Fiction: This one's tougher, because often my main criterion for fiction is "are there queer men in it?" and this means I select and enjoy books based on factors other than, strictly speaking, quality of writing. I'll say Fairs's Point, the latest installment of Melissa Scott's Points series, which I just finished and am very enthusiastic about. It's a return to form after Point of Knives, which I didn't love, and in fact it feels like something of a breakthrough. Character development and relationship development didn't feel shortchanged in favor of plot in this one, a common flaw in Scott's earlier novels, but the plot was still engaging and the worldbuilding, Scott's great strength, was an intriguing as ever.


Your favorite album or song to listen to this year?

It's far from new, but I did a lot of re-listening to Thomas Dolby's The Golden Age of Wireless and grew obsessed with "Cloudburst At Shingle Street," to the point where I requested fic about it for Yuletide and got two great stories!


Your favorite TV show of the year?

I fell intensely in love with Person of Interest early this year and devoured the first two seasons, which I still think are brilliant. S3 started out weak but recovered a little before halfway through and finished very strongly. S4 . . . well, more on that in a bit.

POI still has to rank as my overall favorite, but I want to throw in a word for a show that, unlike POI, didn't eventually disappoint me: Grantchester, the BBC series about a Cambridgeshire vicar and amateur detective. The mystery plots are silly but the characterization and acting are great. And it has actual queer characters, including a regular.


Your best new fandom discovery of the year?

Besides POI and Grantchester, The Thrilling Adventure Hour, specifically "Captain Laserbeam" and "The Cross-Time Adventures of Colonel Tick-Tock." Silly fun, with what seems like a developing male/male romance for Captain Laserbeam, and the Colonel apparently having had sexytiems with various men across history.


Your biggest fandom disappointment of the year?

S4 of POI. The show lost the last of its good writers over the hiatus, and there've only been a couple of episodes I've liked at all so far. All the interesting new storytelling opportunities created by the end of S3 have been wasted, and the characters seem to have been replaced by robots who can reproduce a few of the originals' quirks but have no depth and no real feelings for each other.


Your fandom boyfriend of the year?

Despite everything, Harold Finch. I love a repressed, lonely, conscience-stricken genius.

Amusingly, the runner-up is also called Finch: Leonard Finch from Grantchester, who is gay and feminine and overintellectual and shy, but also kind and moral and occasionally very wise, and whom the show treats with great empathy and never mocks.


Your fandom girlfriend of the year?

Root and Shaw, who are each other's girlfriends and not mine (and canon needs to stop hinting and futzing around and make it textual, damn it). They're two deeply flawed people who, together, are starting to be redeemed, and I love that dynamic.


Your biggest squee moment of the year?

Either the "Harold turns up in Italy to find John" (and subsequent suit fittings and John being Harold's date to the museum bash) thing in S3 POI, or the unexpected appearance of two famous characters, who shall remain nameless, in Melissa Scott and Amy Griswold's Death at the Dionysus Club.


The most missed of your old fandoms?

Maybe due South? I don't miss the fandom itself so much, but I've been intermittently longing to rewatch the (Kowalski seasons of) the show.


The fandom you haven't tried yet, but want to?

I dunno. Rec me something?

One thing I am definitely planning to try is "Sparks Nevada: Marshall on Mars" from The Thrilling Adventure Hour. I'm approaching it with some doubts, because I'm not a particular fan of western tropes and apparently this serial is also much more het-dominated than the other TAH things I've liked, but people say it's good.
kindkit: Second Doctor looking throughtful. (Doctor Who: Second Doctor thoughtful)
As the Christmas season approaches, the time comes for an important seasonal question: what's the bleakest, most depressing Christmas-themed episode of a TV series you've ever seen?

Note that it has to be a Christmas-themed story, not just something that aired around Christmas. This disqualifies the final episode of Blake's 7, which would otherwise sweep the category.

My vote goes to "A Different Kind of War," from the 1969-70 series Manhunt, which aired on London Weekend Television. Manhunt follows the tribulations of two French resistance members and a British airman on the run in occupied France. One of the resistance members, codenamed Nina, has crucial information and must be smuggled to Britain or killed rather than fall into German hands.

"A Different Kind of War" is set at Christmas 1942. spoilers under the cut, but this isn't a show anyone is watching )

So, what are your choices for the bleakest Christmas episode?
kindkit: Text: im in ur history emphasizin ur queerz (Fandomless: Queer history)
I've decided that the world needs a lesbian, gay, and bisexual1 representation bingo card for all those oh-so-reasonable answers some people like to give when one asks why a particular text contains no characters who are identified as LGB. I'm probably not the first person to think of this, but a quick google didn't reveal an existing card except for a comics-specific one.

So, wanna help me brainstorm squares?

Ideas so far (mine and others'):
It's a children's/YA story.

It's not important to mention the characters' sexualities.

Lesbian/gay/bisexual people only make up X percent of the population, so statistically it makes sense that all the characters are straight.

The creator is at the start of their career and obviously can't risk including queer characters.

Wasn't that one character who had two lines in episode eight gay?

The author said Chracter Y is LGB but it just wasn't specifically mentioned.

It's set in [historical period or historical event] and there's no evidence of any queer people then (and if there was, they were all in the closet).

The creator is gay, why are you singling out their sexuality?

It contains [other minority group], why does it have to have queer people too?

The character is bisexual, they just happen to be attracted to the opposite sex for the whole of this canon.

Why do you have to make everything about sex?

The creator is straight, how can you expect them to write about something they haven't experienced?

It's fantasy! And this universe just doesn't have any queer people in.

There are queer people in my universe.. I just didn't think any of them were worth writing about.

In my universe, nobody cares about sexuality.

They'd just mess it up anyway.

It's about [common setting for situational homosexuality] so that would be stereotyping.

They're as good as dating already!

It just never came up!

The creator is gay, so I'm sure they know what they're doing.

We all know [Character X] and [Character Y] are doing it, anyway
Your contributions are encouraged!



1I'm aware that the list does not cover the entirety of the queer spectrum. That is because I think the issues of visibility and inclusion around, for example, trans* or asexual characters are sufficiently different from those around LGB characters that one bingo card will not fit all. For that matter, there could probably be separate bingo cards for gay men, bisexual men, bisexual women, and lesbians, if someone wanted to make them.
kindkit: Text: Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than to curse than darkness. (Discworld: light a flamethrower)
I have not actually watched Downton Abbey and have no intention to, but yesterday I learned, through other sources, that (sort of spoilery I guess):(skip) the only queer character is a selfish, amoral villain.

Has anyone perchance critiqued this approach? I feel like what I've mostly seen all over the internets is either "OMG Downton Abbey is so great, yay!" or "Downton Abbey is a silly soap opera," but no "Let's talk about problematic and stereotypical representation." Admittedly, though, I haven't been looking for it.
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Airship)
Things I learned today:

1) Sourdough bread starter needs a bigger container. No, it needs a bigger container than that, too. Just put it in your biggest bowl, already.

2) "Oooh, I bet there's art on y!gallery for my shiny new fandom" will shortly be followed by "OMG MY EYES. OMG MY BRAIN. WHERE'S THE BLEACH?"
kindkit: Sailing ship at sea. (Fandomless: Blue ship)
I'm frustrated with LJ being down, and I've been reluctant to post on DW when I can't necessarily crosspost to LJ. But, you know, screw that.

Mind you, I don't have much to say right now. So help me out? Share something: a thought, an opinion, a link, a rec for something you love (doesn't have to be fannish), a picture, whatever.

Here a fannish thought from me: it puzzles me a bit that the XMFC fandom seems so split between "political" fics and shippy fics. Properly written Charles/Erik is going to be so fucking political it hurts. Same for most of the other likely pairings I can think of, too, including Charles/Moira, Erik/Raven, Havok/Darwin, Raven/Hank, etc.

And a rec: China Miéville's blog (RSS on DW here). He started out just posting pictures, and he still does post some awesome ones, but increasingly he also posts political commentary and odd, dreamlike narrative fragments.
kindkit: Paul McDermott and Tim Ferguson almost kissing (DAAS: Kiss me you fool)
[personal profile] thefourthvine is compiling a list of No Heterosexual Explanation Moments (which go beyond slashiness to "this doesn't make sense unless these characters are into each other") in every fandom people can think of. If you want to contribute or just see other people's suggestions, there are some on DreamWidth and others on LiveJournal.
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Airship)
1) I got a promotion at work. I've actually known for a while but I didn't want to mention it until it was absolutely certain. Starting next week I'll be a "team leader," which means, well, $.80 more an hour, hopefully a more predictable and reliable number of hours each week, more paperwork, and less sweeping and mopping. And, you know, having to manage other people. The latter is a bit eep-ish, but weirdly enough, I think I may actually have more authority in this crappy job than I did as a professor. *laughs somewhat bitterly*

2) One of the less-contemplated effects of moving to a different region is that your allergies get a whole new range of possibilities. The juniper trees are pollinating here, and boy, am I feeling it. Apparently it's this region's worst allergy season in a decade; certainly it's the worst allergies I've had in ages.

3) I wish it would rain. I miss rain. And lakes. (On the other hand, this town is really not equipped for rain. There are no storm sewers! When it rains, all the rain just washes down into the streets and makes driving scary and dangerous.)

4) I've been listening to old Style Council songs. Long Hot Summer was, to the best of my recollection, the first music I ever bought for myself; I listened to it over and over and wished I was grownup and elsewhere, and wondered if Paul Weller was gay (he was widely rumored to be, at the time), and wondered why I wanted him to be. That was almost thirty years ago.

5) I actually went to Tumblr voluntarily, because I thought I might find pictures of Ryan Robbins there. At least some of you will understand my motivation: )

There were a few pics, but mostly I was confirmed in my belief that I do not like or understand Tumblr. There didn't seem to be any way to tell when stuff was posted, for example, and that annoyed me. Is fandom really moving over to Facebook and Twitter and Tumblr? Because . . . weird. I would never post fanfic or fannish discussion at any of those places. And if I created art I certainly wouldn't post it to Tumblr, with its culture of reposting without attribution. Or am I just behind the times?

thwarted

Sep. 9th, 2010 02:12 pm
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Discworld: Flamethrower)
I have a new fannish obsession, so naturally I want to look at pictures. I go to the solitary, and rather inactive, LJ community--hardly any pics there. I go to the forum which is apparently the online headquarters for the fandom; there are galleries, but to see the galleries you have to join. And more than that, you have to make FIVE POSTS to the forum before you can have access to attachments (which I presume includes images). Fucking hell. I'm not writing fic yet in this fandom, don't know if I ever will, and I certainly don't want to have to think up bullshit excuses for five posts just so I can look at some damn publicity photos and screencaps.

So I try the other website I can find, only to learn that its gallery was taken down months ago because the mod got pissed off that some of her screencaps had been used (to make icons?) without her permission OMG. Perhaps not coincidentally, this site mod is the same person who runs the forum with the "five posts" rule.

Is this some kind of old school fandom thing, this "we will hide our content and make sure only special insiders with permission can get access to it" attitude?

I'm tempted to start up a community for the fandom on DW that would actually encourage, you know, sharing. *is grumpy*
kindkit: A late-Victorian futuristic zeppelin. (Airship)
THIRTY-EIGHT DOLLARS FOR A ZINE?

*headdesks repeatedly*

Okay, I get that zines aren't cheap to produce (although it would surprise me greatly if it cost that much). And I get that zines have historically been an important part of fandom. But nowadays there's this awesome invention that lets you distribute your fanfiction and fanart to the entire world for free. It's called the internet. Surely making your work available as widely as possible, as cheaply as possible, is more in keeping with the nonprofit/gift economy ethos of fandom?

(And no, I don't accept the "but some people don't have internet access" argument. There's hardly a place in the world anymore without internet access, and if somebody can afford $38 for a zine they can afford dial-up. Zine distribution is more exclusionary than internet distribution, not less so.)

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