sadly, the water is full of discourse
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kindkitToday, I again dipped my toes into the waters of the wider Magnus Archives fandom, and then quickly pulled them out again and ran away.
Spoilers through the end of S4 only, under the cut.
I went on the official Discord twice, looking to see if there was any discussion of certain aspects of the newest episode. (Cannot mention these aspects until the public release tomorrow.)
The first time, I found a spirited discussion of Jon's moral state, at the center of which was a person who seemed to think (a) that Jon is selfish and terrible, and (b) that everyone else thinks Jon is an icon of moral purity. I mean, I don't doubt there are fans who think Jon is a perfect cinnamon roll, above reproach. But I do doubt that this opinion is widespread. Various people tried to reply with various shades of "Yes, Jon has done bad things, and he is not pure, but there are mitigating factors X, Y, and Z and he is not a moral monster." At which point, the "Jon is terrible" person would move the goalposts. Ugh.
Just now, I checked in again, and nearly the first comment I saw was to the effect of "We've only seen Martin interested in one person, namely Jon, so Martin might also be asexual! We can't assume that he's one of those icky gays!"
. . . okay, the word "icky" is my insertion, but it felt pretty strongly implied to me. It couldn't be said outright, as the Discord is intensively modded and that shit would not be allowed. But it's still pretty disheartening. (N.B.: Yeah, maybe Martin is asexual too. If that's someone's preferred interpretation, awesome! So long as it doesn't start drifting into "queer people who aren't asexual are Icky because they are having, or wanting to have, the Icky Gay Sex. It's only okay to be gay or bi if you never, ever do anything sexual." That's just homophobia in woke disguise, not unlike TERFism, which is transphobia that pretends to be feminism.)
So that was fun.
ETA: The Discord isn't always like that. Usually when I look, they're having perfectly nice discussions, and I'm just too shy to join in.
Spoilers through the end of S4 only, under the cut.
I went on the official Discord twice, looking to see if there was any discussion of certain aspects of the newest episode. (Cannot mention these aspects until the public release tomorrow.)
The first time, I found a spirited discussion of Jon's moral state, at the center of which was a person who seemed to think (a) that Jon is selfish and terrible, and (b) that everyone else thinks Jon is an icon of moral purity. I mean, I don't doubt there are fans who think Jon is a perfect cinnamon roll, above reproach. But I do doubt that this opinion is widespread. Various people tried to reply with various shades of "Yes, Jon has done bad things, and he is not pure, but there are mitigating factors X, Y, and Z and he is not a moral monster." At which point, the "Jon is terrible" person would move the goalposts. Ugh.
Just now, I checked in again, and nearly the first comment I saw was to the effect of "We've only seen Martin interested in one person, namely Jon, so Martin might also be asexual! We can't assume that he's one of those icky gays!"
. . . okay, the word "icky" is my insertion, but it felt pretty strongly implied to me. It couldn't be said outright, as the Discord is intensively modded and that shit would not be allowed. But it's still pretty disheartening. (N.B.: Yeah, maybe Martin is asexual too. If that's someone's preferred interpretation, awesome! So long as it doesn't start drifting into "queer people who aren't asexual are Icky because they are having, or wanting to have, the Icky Gay Sex. It's only okay to be gay or bi if you never, ever do anything sexual." That's just homophobia in woke disguise, not unlike TERFism, which is transphobia that pretends to be feminism.)
So that was fun.
ETA: The Discord isn't always like that. Usually when I look, they're having perfectly nice discussions, and I'm just too shy to join in.
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